obama is on the same page as them already. we've seen the last four years what stance he's taken as far as the unions are concerned and the progressives. this is patting a lot of people on the back, let's tax the rich, give to the poor and make sure the unions are okay. bill: you don't think the ball is going to move in this meeting. >> no. bill: jerry when do the small business leaders go to the white house and add their concerns. >> let me think, they don't now do they? you'll have head of major corporations. ge, american express, walmart, xerox, pepsi, ibm, one ones of those are small businesses? i don't really hear any of those names, that's what is happening tomorrow. bill: if you had small business leaders go to the white house, what their argument be? >> the argument would be let the business situation environment be easier for us. as a small business owner it's very difficult right now. we don't know where taxes are going, we don't know the situation with healthcare, regulations are increasing every day. say, hey, list